But sometime bleeding heart people is not logical. For example, people always talk about the Iraq War kills many Iraqis. Yes, but the 12 years oil sanction killed 100 folds more people, literally. Lifting the sanction without removing Saddam is even worse. He killed his people in millions. I think bleeding hearts do not consider all aspects of life. While they oppose one thing, they fail to see the bigger picture. Every person who oppose the war said they oppose it based on humanitarian reasons, but they are doing exactly the oppose. There is a reason why most Iraqis thinks the invasion is justified and they want Bush to be reelected because the alternative solution, they understand, is far worse.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/01/election.virtual.vote.reut/index.html

You talked about slavery and Jews in camp. How did you think those practices got destoryed. Through wars. I am sure there were innocent people got killed back then too. The question is always about the big picture.

Saddam was no threat to us, and also before we invaded, it was only moderately danerous to walk the streets of Iraq, as long as you kept your mouth shut. But then we come in saying we're going to find Osama, then when that turns out to be false, we say it's WMD's. When it turns out that Iraq lost the ability to threaten anything in 1996, it turns out we were going to "liberate" this barbaric nation. Because of us, Iraq is now one of the most dangerous places on Earth. Also, we never bombed concentration camps... Btw, everyone knows what happens when you have run away conservatism, people like Mousallini come to power and then evreyone suffers...

You are wrong. Iraq was a very dangerous place before the war. Yes, people were not killed by bombs, they were killed by lack of foods and medicine. As to 1996, 5 years after the oil sanction, a millions of Iraqi children straved to death because of us. In 2001, assume there had been 2 millions death. That is only the children. Do you honesty think Bush killed 2 millions of Iraqis? The death rate has decrease since the Iraq War, can you explain that? If you think Saddam is not a threat to us in 2002, then explain to me why Saddam was a threat in 1996? Why Clinton continue a bloody oil sanction for another 4 years? You talked about we shouldn't attack Iraq. So what is the alternative solution? Continue the oil sanction like Clinton? Is that what you are suggesting?

Go read what Albright (Clinton's secreatry of state) said:

http://www.gpln.com/childrenofiraq.htm

Well actually, in reality, Iraq has always been a dangerous place for anyone, Civil wars plauged it long before us or Saddam came to power...

Also, We should have planned our attack better before we attacked Iraq, because this place throughout history has been chaotic... Also, you know how we were to be greeted as "liberators"? Did that ever happen? It seems now that many of the Iraqis hate us and so does the rest of the world...

Ok..., but I thought your earlier article said Iraqi was safer before the Iraq War, which is not. That was my point. Look, Iraqis beleive the invasion is justified. We have to ask ourselve what kind of horrible life they had for a nation to "prefer" an invasion. The death rate during the oil sanction was horrible. I hope you read my link. Those are figures which everyone agreed. The UN, the Clinton adminstration also agree.

Quote in a 60 minute question:
In 1996, when then Secretary of State Madeline Albright was asked during a 60 Minutes interview about the hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq who have died because of the sanctions, and whether she thought the price was worth it... she replied:

"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price...
we think the price is worth it."

Even though Iraqis see people get killed on the street, at least they see some hope This period can be viewed as a transition state between Saddam regime and a future stable Iraqi. In 1996, when we starved millions children to death, there was no hope.

It was only slightly safer under Saddam, he kept the warlords in check, and even though he was a complete jackass, there was some order, but it was still dangerous... Also, wouldn't the deaths during the sanction be our fault?

Also, we never bombed concentration camps... Btw, everyone knows what happens when you have run away conservatism, people like Mousallini come to power and then evreyone suffers..

Where have you been? Have you never heard of the firebombing of Dresden? Hiroshima? Nagasaki?

Innocents die in war and that is the bottom line.

War is neither evil nor good it just is, without war the US and Mexico would not exist, without war the medicines that you and I take granted would not exist, without war the INTERNET would not exist!
Come good comes great evil and from evil comes great good!

Quit painting war as a black and white picture for it cannot be defined thus.

Shaman Plinko King!!

It was only slightly safer under Saddam, he kept the warlords in check, and even though he was a complete jackass, there was some order, but it was still dangerous...

Tell that to the Kurds and Chaldeans!!

It's alot safer now than under Saddam - and there are revolutionairres blowing up people left and right!

For some reason, people don't understand that those mass graves contain hundred's of thousands of bodies that used to be living people. Millions of Iraqis were exterminated like rats under Saddam, and the wars he caused were horrific compared to the relatively light invasion by the coallition. Deaths on the Iranian side of the Iraq-Iran conflict total somewhere in the multi-millions. Saddam invaded Iran, he caused those deaths. Kuwait? Tens of thousands of Kuwaitis turned up missing... its noble of us to worry about a lost fighter pilot from the US, but that over shadows the bigger picture of "What happened to the Kuwatis?".
Kurds were gassed repeatedly. These are Iraqi citizens different only because of their ethnic background. Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if the USA gassed 100,000's of hispanics or blacks? CAN YOU???

"...moderately dangerous to walk the streets of Iraq, as long as you kept your mouth shut." Really? Tell that to the millions of Iraqis killed by Saddams order. Tell that to the millions more tortured under the almost 30yr reign of Saddam. Tell that to the women his son shot because they were tired of raping them. Tell that to the people dipped into acid because they were out after curfew. Tell that to the thousands of children that died because Saddam was more concerned about buying off the French vote in the UN Security Council by diverting funds to feed his people into the pockets of French politicians and businessmen.

Tell the children its OUR fault they died? Hell no. Tell them we tried, for 11 years, to get their leader to honor a cease fire he signed. We tried to send them food, but instead Saddam perverted the sanctions. The only thing we have to tell them is SORRY WE WAITED SO LONG, AND SORRY POLITICALLY MOTIVATED PEOPLE IN THE US STILL THINK ITS A MISTAKE YOURE FREE. Thats all we have to tell them.

Look in the faces of the dead and be ashamed.

nvm, just forget I said anything... oh, and btw I know alot about war, also, we didn't need to bomb Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Why not just somewhere the Emperor could see it clearly, but not on top of many civilians... But the bomb was necessary to keep the Japanese from using their 7600 hidden jet planes... Also, I know that war is important and inevitable, it's human nature, but you should think things through before you start attacking an entire nation... Like maybe doin' this will make many people quite mad at you, and they'll want blood...

I'll I think I'll just leave now, because you guys are misconstruing what I'm sayin'...

Like maybe doin' this will make many people quite mad at you, and they'll want blood...

Ask the Kurds and Chaldean!!

nvm, just forget I said anything... oh, and btw I know alot about war, also, we didn't need to bomb Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Why not just somewhere the Emperor could see it clearly, but not on top of many civilians... But the bomb was necessary to keep the Japanese from using their 7600 hidden jet planes... Also, I know that war is important and inevitable, it's human nature, but you should think things through before you start attacking an entire nation... Like maybe doin' this will make many people quite mad at you, and they'll want blood...

Yes, one can avoid war at times. Again, if you are insist one taking the anti-invasion for Iraq. Let me ask you what do you offer as alternative options? You can ask for unrealistic things. When you say I am against War on Iraq, what you are saying is I am for oil sanction. So let me go on offense for a second, why are you for oil sanction? Why? If you keep on repeat that the Iraq invasion is bad, then you are saying something is good. What is the good option? Tell me. Be a man, take a stand, don't just complain.

By invading Iraq, we've angered the entire arab world, all we need is one more invasion and then we'll have a huge jihad on our hands...

Also, to grim, the Kurdish suffering cannot be compared to that of the Dahfurians... We stand by while they either starve, are shot or die from disease and beatings and don't forget the high number of rapes...